The Terminator Franchise to Be Auctioned Off

Interesting theory firstonetodie, I think it'd be more epic if the ending chapter of the films had Connor actually beat the machines but for one, who was Arnold's model, who tricks him with memories, and assassinates him, it'd be ending the war in "skynet's eyes", since skynet is not doing so well at this time period, and FINALLY the leader of the resistance is dead, skynet thinks it has won, and sends back the T-X just to make sure. Cutting the loose ends if you will. But what they don't know is that Connor's wife reprograms Arnold's model (T-850) after he kills John and sending Arnold back in time to make sure they survive Judgement Day. I suppose this would mean Skynet wins, which seemed inevitable, but maybe John made some time of weapon of mass destruction kind of like a massive EMP that was unfinished before he died, and they use it after his death, and it wipes out all of Skynet. Or they could do the whole Independence Day thing and upload a virus EMP type of deal, which would be cool to see all the machines falling over and falling out of the sky and the Resistance cheering all over the glovbe. Thee end. lol

didn't read the long paragraphs below this but just trying to figure something out. to my knowledge in the third film when the arnold T-800 tells john connor he's the one that kills him, that always puzzled me a bit. Once I saw the latest Terminator movie though, it made a lot more sense. To me at least, in the final battle between John Connor and the Arnold T-800, the T-800 manages to "kill" John who only survives through Marcus's sacrifice. To that models knowledge if its memory is later shown to be recovered from the plant's blast in a later movie, John Connor is dead and he's the one that killed him.

I can say its the same Terminator that's sent back in time in the third movie because they look alike. bahhh, time travel is confusing but whatever. Just wondering if anyone thought of it that way too, maybe it means John doesn't die and can keep fighting ultimately defeating Skynet.

Chad Vita....The first Saw is a film that I would refer to as "clever"...but only because there isn't a fucker out there that can say they knew jigsaw was the dude with the head half blown off in the middle of that shit strewn bathroom...now that being said...every other Saw movie has been an over the top fucken bag of shit, all the while being absent of any content even close to "clever" caliber. Its a money grabbing "nightmare on elm street 17" style slasher series now, that exists because for whatever reason retards like their Saw on Halloween (no offense). As far as this post...SUMMIT or SONY...WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T LET MC-GAY DIRECT THE NEXT ONE...SHOOT HIM AS SOON AS YOU SEE THE WHITES OF HIS EYES....FOR THE LOVE OF THIS SERIES...PLEASE.

Anyways, about your other post, the way I see it, is

- T4: 2018; Skynet is ahead of schedule, due to past events, CRS building the first Terminators (T-1s, H/Ks) instead of Skynet, T-800s go online 11 years too early. Skynet kills leader faction in the Resistance, but John Connor takes out the T-800 facility in San Francisco. Timeline shifts back into place.

- T5: 2027-2029; The Time Displacement Equipment is created by Skynet and being field tested. John Connor's Resistance cell, the Tech-Com unit, is home to much of the Resistance's best fighters, including Kyle Reese, who has served under General Perry up until this point, when Connor needs him the most. Connor's first victory against the machines resulted in the loss of their greatest development - the T-800. Only now, the 800s are coming back online. And other research has paved the way for a newly advanced reconnaissance assassin Terminator to be secretly brought online as well... the T-1000. Connor has learned of this, and the time is now to bring Kyle Reese up to speed on his greatest mission to save mankind... Protect Sarah Connor.

- T6: 2032; The final battle begins. With The Resistance now leading all-out assaults against the machines, likely to result in achieving total victory, John Connor learns of a terrible truth. In a last-ditch effort, Skynet has poured the last of their developments into the final Terminator: the T-X. Powered by two Plasma Reactors, she is the most powerful Terminator yet and has repeatedly destroyed the reprogrammed T-850s fighting for The Resistance. In one swift move, Skynet sends her back to the date of Judgment Day to ensure their survival. John & Kate Connor must figure out a way to achieve total victory, both in the present, and the past...

Exactly, CHAD, well to your response to penguin, anyways. Machines don't care about shit but their militant objectives, and of course killing the Leader to secure victory. As you can see from T4, killing Ashdown was a simple task for them, they set up an ambush by tricking their enemy. Once they gave their position away, Skynet took out the entire group of leaders in the Resistance, killing the current Leader, General Ashdown, along with the rest of the Resistance Command generals. John Connor would not have been as clumsy. Though they targeted Command, their primary target was still Connor, whom they knew would not be so easy to kill. The Marcus & Serena Kogan/Skynet scene was contradictory. Skynet would have never have done that. Marcus was a pawn in an overall bigger plot, an ambush for Connor, to finally assassinate his ass with the T-800 prototype. Also, Kyle Reese had a different origin than in the original trilogy. He is supposed to serve under Perry until 2027.

The thing that I love though is that Judgement Day is inevitable, so no matter how much one goes into the past or future or wherever, it may slow it down but it is its destiny to happen regardless. Maybe the machines would have won if they wouldn't have sent back a Terminator in the first film? Ever think about that? Like if they would have sent it somewhere else instead type of thing. Cause as Arnold tells us in the 3rd film, he (himself/that exact model) kills John because of memories of him and John from the 2nd Terminator film time frame. I thought that was cool. So I'm assuming the terminators can't get into the base where John is located, or maybe they show the first T-800 attempt (where we see Kyle Reese looking at the picture of John's mother and it burns later in the scene) where the Terminator gets inside and starts killing everyone. Maybe that's the one they captured? They have it sitting around or prisoner style like how they had Marcus in Salvation, all strung up. Then after they find out they sent the newest line of Terminators, the T-800 back to kill John's mother, they know how tough that Terminator is, and since Kyle was the one who probably puts down or captures the T-800 trying to infilitrate the comppound, they choose him or Conner just knows it's him who HAS TO be the one who goes back or he will never exist, anyway, they attack the TDE place (which I'm assuming they find out from the captured T-800 cpu chip etc.) and send Kyle back. This would be the next film, Terminator: The Past Begins or the cliche' "The Future Begins" type of subname lol.

Then you'd have the film after that, which would be the lead up to them sending that captured T-800, reprogramming it, and sending it back to protect John as a teenager against this new prototype known as the T-1000. End of film lol. Rest would be filler future action scenes haha jm. They would call that one Terminator: Annihilation or some shit lol.

The last film should have a really cool name, something well thought out and has to do with that film, kind of like how Salvation was about Marcus getting his 2nd chance (which I loved). Like Terminator: For All Mankind or something better along those lines I can't think of any really. These are kinda half ass titles lol.

I mean they could spin off of that "experience" with Marcus as a note to never mix a human and a machine together again since it will not be loyal or controllable. They get desperate and make the T-1000 assassin terminator lol.

Maybe the consequences of that scene sets up some kind of certain event for the next film since Skynet always has a plan.

Yeah but they are machines, they don't have motives nor would they need to explain themselves, especially to him or for anyone for that matter. They cared about his feelings enough to tell him so he would know? They are cold and heartless, hence why they are machines and killing humans. That main computer (just happened to be Helena yada yada yada) would have succeeded if she (it) wouldn't have told Marcus what he did. It fucked itself over by explaining it's actions. That's why it makes no sense. It's stupid. Machines would be rational and not care.

My take on that scene is that Skynet already knew that Marcus would betray them and lead Connor to them as well. When it came to the big reveal Skynet wanted Marcus to fully understand his purpose and how events will lead up to the war ending so chose a familiar face for Marcus to hear it from.

I think I understand lol. Maybe Skynet wanted to make more, but the T-1000 was a concept, he didn't go into production, same with the T-X, who was designed in the last year of the war, 2032, for one purpose. She wasn't a frontline soldier, she was more of a reconnaissance agent. Not sure if the T-1000 was designed for only one purpose like her or not, and I'm actually unsure of which year the T-1000 was made. Anyway, about making more of these Terminators for mass production, I think the T-1000 was like T-X in the sense that he was created strictly to assassinate, and not to be a foot soldier in the war. So only one would be needed. Of course the T-X could control machines, and her purpose was larger than T-1000's (to set in motion the events that would ensure the rise of Skynet), but ultimately they were not battlefield warriors, but rather more like green berets (if you will).

But you do bring up good points. I agree with you regarding the Helena Bonham Carter scenes in the end of T4. You are completely right, that scene contradicts the first trilogy in terms of machine motives. Sorry for any confusion on my part.

they are machines* not 'their' my bad.

I know that he was a prototype, but I'm pretty sure Skynet wanted to make more like him (the T-1000). I think we are not on the same page. I was merely speaking of why that person was the outer look to the T-1000 (Robert Patrick). They could do it like my theory, which would probably be kinda lame and not epic, but then again, their machines without emotion, gratitude etc. I don't see why they'd base the prototype T-1000 off of a stem cell guy. Why him? Why was he picked? It's not like they were thinking "oh this guy did this stem cell research so we should make our new made product look like this guy" as in like honoring him. They don't do that. They are machines. They don't care lol. But then they totally switched it around on us where the computer at the Machine City (Bona Carter or however you say her name) was talking to Marcus saying thanks and explaining things to him. I was like 'huh?' Why would they do that? They are machines, they have no gratitude or emotion. Why would they need to explain themselves to a human? Well, half prototype machine human lol. I hated that part in the movie, I thought it was so corny and didn't make sense. I suppose they needed a way to reveal what Marcus's purpose was to the audience by having the machine computer telling us. So dumb. And I don't like how the computer has a personality and smirks etc. Makes no fucking sense at all. But that's just me. They shouldn't have done that. It doesn't fit with the backstory of previous Terminators. If they weren't cold and destructive, then they wouldn't be trying to kill humans lol.

As a matter of fact, now that I think about that, it would be my educated guesstimate that the T-1000 and the T-X do not have model numbers. They might have, if they ever went into production like the T-1s, the T-600s, or the T-800s. But they didn't. The T-1000 and the T-X were BOTH prototypes. There was only one of them. So they both has series numbers to distinguish them in the Terminator line, but not model numbers because there is not "hundreds of them." Wow, that was a good point lol.

CHAD_VITAL, if you pay close attention to my comment left before yours, I do answer most of your questions you ask of me right after lol. I agree that the Terminator time-lines are confusing, and like you, I love piecing them together to where they make sense, given the information in the films.

"? Then who did they base the look of the T-800/T850s off of? I'm assuming they had somebody they wanted it to look like obviously, who just so happened to be Arnold. I was talking about the outer appearance (their human look alike)."

As I stated, the T-800s from the first two films and the T-850 from T3 are Model 101s - meaning they have skin replication in (supposedly) Sgt. Candy's appearance. Although it has been refuted that the Deleted Scene from the T3 DVD is not in canon. Whoever it was, he looked like Arnold. The Terminators are designated this way - "T-[series #] Model [model #]". Only the T-1000's and the T-X's (which are prototypes, meaning there are not hundreds of them, just one each) Model numbers have not been revealed in the franchise. Which probably doesn't matter anyways, since they are prototypes there would only be ONE model number for them. Arnold's T1 and T2 Terminators are designated as "T-800 Model 101." This is confirmed in T2.

"Well maybe Robert Patrick tries it out on himself and he's younger, and then the T-1000 shows up and kills him and also decides to make his outer appearance look like Robert Patrick."

Interesting idea. However all the Terminators come off an assembly line in their robot form, and before the replica skin is applied, they are assigned Model numbers. This was pre T-1000 and T-X, though. See with the 1000-series and X-series Terminators, they didn't have the replica skins. Their skins were polymimetic alloy. Meaning in the T-1000 it covered his robotic endoskeleton, and in the T-X it generated from and was combined with her endoskeleton (which was why she could carry weapons back and the T-1000 could not, he could only form stabbing weapons with his skin). What I am trying to say is that the skins were made when the T-1000 and the T-X were made, but only on those two series, as far as we know from the films. So the T-1000 didn't kill and receive his skin, he already had it when he was made.

"I doubt they were gonna just make hundreds of them looking like the guy who was doing stem cell research"

There wasn't. In T2, the T-800 Model 101 tells John that the T-1000 is "a prototype" and that he is the only one.

Sorry for calling you out CHAD, lol, I'm just trying to clear up how these Terminators are built and how they are designated with the replica skin tissue. Sorry for the long message.

Is that a good idea though? Buffy is terrible.

Right now rumor has it that Joss Whedon, creator and writer of Buffy and Dollhouse, is willing to pay 10 grand in cash right now just as a show of seriousness. He has stated he is already looking into where to take the series both in television and feature films.

Yeah. I love talking about this stuff. No one ever seems to care really, but I think it's very interesting how everything fits together. This is why I like the Saw franchise, even though it's hated by a lot of people, I find the connections really clever.

and now that i think bout it, wat happened to marcus, his execution and procedure, the events in T-3 and Judgement Day make sense, time-line wise i mean

Salvation: Marcus was in jail to be executed and volunteered for the prototype procedure in 2003..a year later Judgement Day happened

T-3:John was told Judgement Day would happen sometime within a week or two or something like that, which was around july 24, 2004

basically wat was shown of marcus in the beginning of salvation was happening a year before everything that was shown in T-3

CHAD VITAL-- yeah that could be a good theory, that even though marcus was a prototype and half machine/human, he still had more human traits to himself, and skynet saw that as a failure and didnt want to try it again

but if u notice in Salvation, John discovered skynet were already building the t-800 before he knew bout marcus and before marcus betrayed skynet at the end, so they were ahead with theyre plans to build another set of terminators cuz werent able to make the older models look human enough, like marcus

heres my theory--its said Judgement Day happened a year after marcus being executed on death row and after his procedure...so maybe somehow after the bombs dropped skynet lost the details of marcus procedure, which is why hes the only one made...and skynets just trying to pick up the pieces and figure out wat they did to marcus and repeat it themselves, but since the details are lost and cant figure how to transplant human organs and brain into the endo-skeleton, all they can do is put human skin over it...minus the humanity marcus kept withing himself... and hope for the same results

what do u think?

Thanks Bane that's interesting. The only thing that bothers me NOW about Terminator, was that Sam Worthington was both human and machine, I did not get that at all. If they made somebody like him before the T-850s or the T-1000s, why didn't they just send Marcus (Worthington) back in time at a later date? Or make another one of of him. A 2nd prototype if you will. If they can make a cool machine that's part human, then why didn't they just make more of them since they are the most human-ish/trust gathering out of the models? Or is it because he defied Skynet and was no longer controllable, so sknet decided that making another Marcus type was a bad idea since he was too human.

Good...becasue it's dumb now!!!

Since the future is constantly being altered they might decide to think like well since Skynet has tried sending these machines back in time and thus changing what will happen in the future Skynet will send back more advanced terminators than the T800 and T1000. Just a thought since the story continually changes now. I believe this next film should go ahead under production and complete the film while the rights are bought out by hopefully WB. If Im not mistaken didnt WB produce Salvation?

CHAD VITAL--to answer ur question bout who did they base the t-800/t-850 models off of..yes they did have someone in mind to base the appearance of that model terminator

it is explained in a deleted scene on the t-3 dvd, heres whats said of the scene which was left out of the film...and for obvious reasons...hope it helps answer ur question my friend

A scene filmed during production explains why one series of Terminators all look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. A character named Chief Master Sergeant William Candy (played by Arnold Schwarzenegger) explains in an Air Force promotional video he was chosen to be the model for the Terminator project. Schwarzenegger's character has a Southern accent (dubbed by an uncredited actor). When Lieutenant General Brewster questions the appropriateness of Candy's Southern accent for the Terminator's voice, another scientist replies, "we can fix it" in Schwarzenegger's (overdubbed) voice. It was included in early prints of the film, but was later deleted. This scene is available as a special feature on the DVD version.

And yeah that's what I was thinking for T-X, maybe even a powerful resistance leader of some sort. And the machines were making an example of her, since they can now think "out of the box" somehow, use her skin/appearance as a de-moralizer to the resistance.

? Then who did they base the look of the T-800/T850s off of? I'm assuming they had somebody they wanted it to look like obviously, who just so happened to be Arnold. I was talking about the outer appearance (their human look alike). Well maybe Robert Patrick tries it out on himself and he's younger, and then the T-1000 shows up and kills him and also decides to make his outer appearance look like Robert Patrick. How else would he look like Robert Patrick lol. I doubt they were gonna just make hundreds of them looking like the guy who was doing stem cell research lol. At least in this case, where the T-1000 is "born" and comes alive in liquid form, kills Robert, replicates his appearance, and then he goes back in time like you said (and in the movie), and just as he is sent, the resistance breaks through all the defenses and realizes "oh shit they sent a bad ass terminator back in time to kill me" type of deal. But the thing I don't get is, they would have to had captured one of the new T-850 earlier in this film so they could get the idea of reprogramming it and sending it back in time to protect himself. I mean, in the theory of time travel, if they sent the Terminator hours or even weeks later to the same time and destination as the T-1000. (Which they probably saw when they were in the TDE room- probably hacked into the computer to find this out). So even if they took forever to send the T-850, he would still arrive on time in the past since it was exact time and date of when the T-1000 arrived. So they could either do it as them copying the time the T-1000 was sent back, or they could one up it by having the T-850 arrive an hour earlier, which would actually explain why Arnold seemingly has a head start if you didn't notice. He gets clothes, goes to the parents house, and then arrives at the mall and we don't know if the parents told him if he went to the arcade or not cause Arnold seems to be looking around the mall from what I can tell. Then he finds John and T-1000 somehow in the hallway; I have no idea how he knows they are in there lol. Whereas, the T-1000 did less stuff when he arrived, and got to John first technically. He killed that cop who was conveniently by the time pod area, so he looks like him which takes a few seconds, gets into the car, punches in the address of Conner, shows up and asks the parents who tell him about a big guy on a bike, and he goes to the arcade and finds John. Arnold had a headstart and still lossed lol.

No it is their Model numbers. Remember, the Terminators have Model numbers that specify what they look like, i.e. who they resemble. Such as the T-800/850 Model 101 in which resembles Arnold Schwarzenegger. It is unknown which Model numbers are the T-1000's and the T-X's, but rest assured they do have them. It has just never been revealed.

Also, the 50-year-old Robert Patrick in T5 idea spawned from McG, and his idea was that the 50-yr-old is a scientist conducting research on stem cell therapy, aging and shit. Making ourselves look younger. Which therein lies the clue. If the T-1000 were to copy Robert nowadays, he wouldn't look like he did in 1992. He'd look 50 yrs old. So I believe the stem cell therapy comes into play with the creation of the T-1000, all I remember from T2 was that it was a prototype, and no more were made. (So maybe the scientist clones his image, 20 years younger, and SkyNet captures it and makes it a Terminator?) Not sure how that will go, all I know is that the stem cell research would have to come into play into the origins of the T-1000.

As for T-X, she's probably based off a Resistance prisoner, as we saw SkyNet holding them in camps in T4 for skin replication.

I really want to see this series continue, I loved Salvation. And I think McG did a great job directing this.

Well maybe the first T-1000 prototype that gets made only comes into contact with one person, Robert Patrick, thus copying what he looks like because that person was the first person the machine came into contact with. I wonder who was the person the T-X cloned itself from... interesting indeed. Maybe an important character yet to be discovered in the series?

if not warner bros. then sony would be the next best choice...if summit gets their hands on it...once the dust settles and the war between humanity and the machines is over...the battle between humanity and the vampires BEGINS...dun dun DUNNNN LOL j/k