Jackie Marcus and Jeff Schaffer Talk Season 3 of The League

This Thursday, October 27th, The League returns with an all-new Season 3 episode, Ol' Smoke Crotch. Kevin (Stephen Rannazzisi) struggles with getting older, while Ruxin (Nick Kroll) is so desperate to get rid of his au pair that he gets Rafi's (Jason Mantzoukas ) help. In the meantime, Taco (Jonathan Lajoie ) finds a market for Kevin and Jenny's (Katie Aselton ) wedding cocktail napkins. And Pete (Mark Duplass ) learns a new sexual position, only to regret it. We recently caught up with show creators Jackie Marcus Schaffer and Jeff Schaffer to chat about this upcoming show, as well as the rest of The League Season 3.

Here is that conversation.

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I wanted to know what would have happened if the lockout didn't work out? I know there was already a commitment-you guys said on Twitter-that whether there's football or not, we're going to have a season of The League. What would've happened maybe if it didn't happen? What kind of stories would we have gotten?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Here's what's awesome about this question is we get to finally set the record straight. I'm assuming that all the fine people on this call understand sarcasm. Jeff and I have-in some of these interviews given over the past six months-have given answers which were meant to be jokes, and people have printed them as serious things. What was the one you said, Jeff-the fantasy curling league?

Jeff Schaffer: Oh yeah. Fantasy curling league was definitely a joke. I'll tell you what might have-one of the things we definitely did talk about though, we did talk about Andre...He would've joined a fantasy NBA league only find out they too were locked out. So it would've been very disappointing for him.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: That one was real. But I think that we've talked about the notion of what would've happened, and what was really interesting is the fan base that grew between Seasons 2 and 3 watching the show online, finding it on Hulu, finding the DVD, started to understand that this wasn't a show that was primarily about sports. And we think that the idea is that this is first and foremost a comedy. And what could be funnier than watching something very precious taken away from our favorite frustrated characters. So that would've been, we think, the first place we would've started...watching them suffer. And then if you look at the shows, a lot of the shows aren't dependent on fantasy football. We started to realize as we were going through our own writing process, we could easily make the show without the sport; it just makes it so much better because we love it. And it's a passion of theirs and a passion of ours.

Jeff Schaffer: Yeah, the show is a comedy about guys who play fantasy football. It's not a comedy about fantasy football, if you know what I mean. But we definitely would have explored the relationships between the guys. "Hey, if there's no league, are we really going to hang out together?" So that's the big avenue we would've explored. And we actually-

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: And when Jeff says that, he means, are they really going to hang out with Andre?

Jeff Schaffer: Yes.

Did the lockout make it more available for the players and the fantasy experts to guest star?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Strangely, no because the lockout, the decision, and the guys going back to work happened so fast, so we had to, at a certain point-FX is great and allowed us to push a few weeks to sort of play chicken with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith to see how far this was going to go. And we started shooting the Monday morning after the news was out that the lockout would be lifted and that the players and owners had really come to an agreement.

Jeff Schaffer: But a lot of the players didn't know, so they're training in one place; they don't know if they have to go back to their camp; they don't know when they're going to have to report to camp. So it was sort of a crazy time for everybody. So it actually made it a lot more difficult because no one knew where they were supposed to be when.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: And also the trading. What was really interesting is it held up a lot of the trading because a lot of players weren't sure that...Staying on one team; a lot of owners who wanted to trade weren't allowed to do so until that window opened as well. So players who knew that they probably weren't staying in the team that they were on didn't know where they were going until right up to the very end. So for example Sidney Rice, we shot the Shiva Bowl Shuffle with him, and less than 24 hours later-he was a Viking when we shot it with him, and he was a Seahawk less than 24 hours later because we were shooting it right in that window.

Now that you have a few seasons under your belt, how have you seen audiences grow to sort of love the show, and how has it been accepted since it first aired?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: We get really I'll say-because Jeff and I are basically The League Twitter account and The League Facebook account-I don't think people realize that it's really the creators of the show who are running those two things. And it's great for us because it is like that old school sort of testing dial, where when you test a pilot, and you go behind that glass, and you see them turn the knob. It's like that every week with watching the show. So the immediate real-time reaction of people and what they think of the show is-the fans-is fantastic, and we love watching that and learning about the show from that. But what we've learned is that we've got some really obsessive, funny, and probably disturbed fans. I think some of the Tweets last night kind of blew our minds. One girl said-went into a long diatribe about how she would marry The League and why The League -this is not a human being, and you should leave your house. No offense. Please watch our show and help our ratings, but then you should go out and talk to a human being. What are some of the other odd things that you've seen, Jeff?

Jeff Schaffer: I think the most amazing thing for us has been when we first started the show. We didn't really know anything about-we were not that savvy with Twitter and stuff and we sort of had the account. And you start to see Tweets and all this stuff, and then we were-and all of it was so good, we were like, "Oh, Twitter's only," we literally thought, "Oh, Twitter's only used when people really like stuff." And then we were talking to other people and they go, "No, have you seen," and they point us to some other shows and we're like, "Oh wow. This is great." So we actually were very, very pleasantly surprised at all of the positive response. I think the biggest way our show has grown in terms of an audience is that people have realized that-our hardcore comedy audience has really grown because people, I think, love the comedy of the actors on our show and of the show itself. And we're also getting a lot of really great guest cast from the comedy world who want to come and play with our amazing guys.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: It's one of those things where we don't want to sound like the people who are apologizing for the fact that our show is based around sports. I'm sure people who did Coach and Arli$$ and all those things go up against the same things, but it's interesting that people say-

Jeff Schaffer: By the way, the people who did Coach have other things to apologize for.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: I wasn't going to say that. You were so cruel during the Hulu panel to certain other people; I thought we should be nice this morning. But the idea that the woman from the Midwest who says, "I hate fantasy football; I hate sports; but I love the show," that's been a big surprise. But as Jeff said, people-the other big-I mean, that's really from the fans and sort of educating us as to how they found the show, by the word of mouth.

Jeff Schaffer: There's a sort of league universe that people want to live in. People are dying to know what's going on with Mr. McGibblets. People are dying to know where 'Frank "The Body" Gibiatti' is, people always asking questions about, "Hey, when's this coming back? When's this guy coming back?"

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: And that's something It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has done so well with the 'McPoyle Brothers.' It's like once you introduce these people and you're in Season 3, you get to bring people back. And it's great to surprise the audience and say, "Oh, you remember that guy you haven't seen for two seasons, here he is again in a way you never would've expected."

What do you look for in spec scripts from a new writer?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: We don't do spec scripts on the show because we write them, mostly, all ourselves. So we're not allowed to accept spec scripts on the show. It's just not how our show works, and we have a really low budget and low time. But in the world of being producers and show runners not on The League, who develop other things and other movies, I think we could say you look for a great idea and authenticity. And that's like when we are evaluating things as producers-not as The League because we don't take stuff as The League-and we're looking for that-what's that next show. What's going to be the next The League? What's the next pilot or that next movie that we're going to get really jazzed about? It's really a great idea and authenticity, and not only the execution of the idea, but the characters.

Jeff Schaffer: And also, I think if-The League is built basically the same was Curb Your Enthusiasm is built, which is it's based on stories. So the writing itself-it's all about taking the story, so we can take that story and sort of weave it into other stories we have and make the show via-and I think that-which is the same way that when we're working on Curb Your Enthusiasm. It's all about-the most important thing is the nugget of what's that story. And that story may only give you a scene, and then it's our job as show runners to turn that scene into a show by interconnecting it with other little nuggets of story. So from a selfish, "What does a show need?" A show always just needs stories. From a writing standpoint, Jackie Marcus Schaffer's exactly right. You look for the good idea and the execution. But as a show runner, we greedily only need the idea because we'll take it and figure out, "Oh, that goes with this other thing we've had. That's the perfect second step of this other story." So anyway, from a writing standpoint, that's it.

A story nugget, like you said, like a concept for a sitcom-does that have to be funny on paper, or you make it funny?

Jeff Schaffer: The ideal thing is that it's funny when you say it. On Seinfeld, 'George' gets caught eating out of the trash.' Okay, that's a story. Well, it's one scene. I'm going to call it a story, but it's really one funny theme. And then it's the job of a writer, whether it's a show runner or the writer itself, to turn that into a full script or part of a script. But no, ideally you look for something where you go, "Oh, conceptually that's funny. And if you shot it, oh, that would be really, really funny."

I was wondering about The League Roadshow that toured around the country. Were you guys involved in that? And if so, could you maybe explain kind of what that was like for..., that didn't get to see that, and maybe the impact of growing your audience with that road show?

Jeff Schaffer: The League Live Tour?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Yeah, The League Live Tour. We actually are involved in it. It's something that, actually, I started. The guys on the show, Stephen Rannazzisi, Jonathan Lajoie, Nick Kroll, and Paul Scheer are all terrific stand-ups, all four of them. And when you're in your show early on, and you're trying to sort of get a fan base and educate people-especially the way we shot the first season which is, we came on the air within six weeks of shooting the pilot. So we really came on the scene without any time to be able to be in those fall or preview magazines or anything. And no one really knew what we were and what we were doing. And we were picked up for the second season during the first season after the fifth episode aired. So we had basically from episode 5 of ever being on the air, all the way to Season 2 to try to say, "Hey, we're out here, and we want to let you know what the show's going to be about. And so we went on the road, and the guys performed. And what's really amazing is how the show has evolved. Because the first season when they performed, Jonathan Lajoie would get up, for example, and perform "The Birthday Song" from the pilot episode. And now, not only does he do that, he does "Vaginal Hubris," and he does "Pete's Little Tiny Erect Dick," and "Fear Boner." And the guys do a bunch of bits. We do stuff with Mr. McGibblets. So in the same way that the world of the show has grown, the world of the live tour has grown where the audience has such familiarity with the stories and the characters and the guys that now we do a big Q&A part at the end that's like a comedy Q&A and it's great. And we are selling out the shows sometimes same day, big venues, three, four times the size venues we started in 18 months ago. And it's something that we'd like to continue doing. The guys really enjoy it; Jeff Schaffer and I really love doing it; and it's been, we think, a really unique way to promote the show. And actually, one of the reasons that I thought about doing it was sitting in the audience at Universal Amphitheatre watching It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia do their Nightman Cometh, which was awesome. And Jeff and I remember sitting there sort of looking behind us and seeing people connect with the television show in a live-arena way with something that we thought was just amazing. And selfishly, we wanted to be able to experience that same energy that we were experiencing that night with the fans of Jeff.

How much does ad-libbing or improvising play into the show?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: This is an interesting question that you asked that because we were looking at Matthew Berry's article yesterday where he's like, "There's no script." And it's like, "No, you didn't have the script for the episode because you're guest-casting yourself." And by the way, Matthew Berry's a terrific writer, so why not throw him out there with just a basic scene and let him figure it out. He knows his business better than we do. We're not going to write Matthew Berry playing Matthew Berry. But, I think there's been a little bit of a misconception that there is no script. There's definitely a script. It's not a script in the same format of final draft that you see on other half-hour comedies. It's a more unique format that has been developed by Jeff Schaffer and his partners on Curb Your Enthusiasm where it's more of like a single-spaced outline-type format. But you know, these are 14-page, single-spaced documents. They have a lot of dialog in them. But here's what we think is great about the way we make the show is our cast is so amazing that they can take our dialog and make it sound ten times better than we ever would've imagined it would've when we wrote it. Or they could take the dialog in the script and say, "You know what, I got a joke that's going to top that," and do their own thing. And that's the way that we shoot the show is either of those are okay. We've got the safety net of a story, like Jeff said, that's funny. So if the scene is funny, for example-'Taco' puts on the 'Mr. McGibblets' costume, walks up to the window while 'Kevin's' tinkering with his lineup, raises a cleaver, 'Kevin's' scared. That's funny. And whatever they say while they're doing it, it's going to be even better with that addition.

Jeff Schaffer: We think we sort of have the best of both worlds, which is we work really hard on the structure of the show, so the stories are all funny, and the scenes are funny. And then we have amazingly, ridiculously talented cast, and they...stuff from the script, we write new stuff-we're writing stuff on the day all the time, the cast and us. And it's sort of a-jokes are flying, and we get the benefit of having a solid structure and also having the freedom to explore new things. When Paul Scheer pulls out his phone and says, "Oh, I've got a slam list on my phone," and they go, "What's on there?" Okay, we're going to hunker down, and the scene may be about that now. So we're very-we have a script, but we're also super, super flexible to let the wanderings of the cast go where they need to go to get some amazing digressions.

And I just wanted to ask a followup question; it's pretty specific because I have a lot of screenwriters who read my blog, and fans of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Of course, yeah.

I have a script in my hand that was passed to me by a friend who knows a William Morris agent, and it's a Curb Your Enthusiasm script from 2003, it's called, "Palm Springs Weekend" by Eric Horsted. I don't know if you guys were on the show at that point...

Jeff Schaffer: I was not on the show then, but I guarantee that Eric Horsted...I'm not actually sure.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Well, you don't know-you weren't on then. You don't know that.

Jeff Schaffer: Yeah, I wasn't on the show then.

Okay. Well, my question is it's an absolutely tight, great, 21-page script that's written just like a script. But I'd always heard that Curb was like you guys just said; it was more an outline.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Is that a real episode?

Jeff Schaffer: No. I think that's a-

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: No, no, that's my question for Dan. Does that script correspond to a real episode of the show, or is it just a script?

I'm not sure.

Jeff Schaffer: I will tell you for sure, there are no 21-page scripts of Curb Your Enthusiasm. There are 10-page outlines.

Oh, I'm sorry, it's actually 31.

Jeff Schaffer: That's a script. That's not a Curb outline.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Bravo to this funny, tight writer for turning an outline show into a script-that seems like a really hard, long job.

Jeff Schaffer: And by the way, we used to joke with Larry David the reason that there were no scripts and they were just outlines was so he couldn't get spec scripts. That was his primary goal in making outlines. But the truth is, it's all structure. Seinfeld was written the same way Curb Your Enthusiasm is, and The League is written the same way-on a dry erase board, worrying about the structure of the show. The dialog is the easy part once you know what the scenes are.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Yeah. And a funny story which I think is okay to share is we were working on a show this season in Jeff Schaffer's Curb Your Enthusiasm office, and we're up on the board and the board is-you know, looks like a board Curb Your Enthusiasm -and Larry David comes and he's like, "Huh, huh," and he's like, "What is all that?" And we're like, "We're writing for six people." And he said, "Oh, I forgot about that. That's terrible. That's just terrible. That seems really-why would," but-

Jeff Schaffer: He said, "That seems really hard."

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: That seems really hard. And he loves the show. It's nice. He's a fan of the show, and he thinks our cast is amazing. But when he saw what we have to do, it's a-I would say it's a very difficult thing that a lot of writers, I'm sure, share in these ensemble comedy worlds is, you know, Curb Your Enthusiasm has one regular lead and then, obviously, this amazing world of people he's with. But we have six people that we write, hopefully, integrated stories for every single episode. It's not easy, but we gladly do it.

I was wondering, can you please describe the creative process. Do you need to have quiet, chaos? Do you writ at the house? Do you have to be in the office?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: That's interesting that you ask this. Jeff Schaffer likes to write to music, drumming-like basically doing air drumming like a 5-year-old-and he will hit and kick anything in his midst as if it is-what's the drum? It's a snare or a-I mean, what is it that you're doing?

Jeff Schaffer: I've got a snare; I've got a base; I got toms workings; I've got double pedals. I'm doing it all.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: He's literally-if you saw this, if I ever just used an iPhone and videotaped him and sold him out-his creative process would be like a meme on YouTube that people would make fun of for ages. He looks ridiculous.

Jeff Schaffer: Yeah.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: I, on the other hand, am a little bit of a nerd and initially like quiet and a quiet little cubby corner. But then again, it's all about the dry-erase board. So sort of what we do is we sort of do stuff separately where we'll start with a whole bunch of ideas where we're coming up with ideas for shows, and then most importantly the connections because that's really where the best shows come from. Like show three last year where 'Kevin's' penis and 'Taco's' spear, and on the Dummies books, and 'Andre's' white party all come together in one moment. And that's what we're always striving for-those sort of endings. So we're trying to find the connections of the stories, and then we get back together with the dry-erase board and we figure out, "Okay, what scenes need to be in this show," and here's each story that we want to put in, and here are the connections, and then here's a list of scenes, and we order the scenes.

Jeff Schaffer: But by the way, in terms of where we do it-I mean we're shooting and editing and writing at the same time, and there's no staff. So we're writing on set. We're writing in the editing room. We're writing in the sound mixing stage. And we're also-because we're married-we're writing when we go out to dinner, which is the nice thing about working with your spouse is that you sort of got a mobile writer's room. And we can both be out somewhere, or even on vacation, and something funny happens, and we go, "Oh, we got to put that in the show.

Do you find it difficult at times to enter and exit a character?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: No, and in fact, we have amazing guests cast this year. And it just happens so organically, I mean for example, we knew we wanted to do 'Ruxin's' boss, who's a big corporate lawyer, concierge to evil. What can I get you; what can I do for you? And, we start looking at our list of people we know we want to cast and people who are around, and you think, "Oh my gosh, let's go get Ray Liotta." And Ray Liotta plays 'Ruxin's' boss this year. And it's like going down the rabbit hole, every time, whether it's Ray Liotta as 'Ruxin's boss,' or Eliza Dushku as the hot ... instructor that steps over the line with 'Kevin,' or Sarah Silverman as 'Andre's' sister, or Jeff Goldblum as 'Ruxin's' dad, it literally is going down the rabbit hole. We can't stop thinking about things that we want to have them do and say, and situations we want to stick them into. It's the best.

As a director, how do you approach working with the actors to reach that final scene? Is there a lot of rehearsing, lots of takes on the day, improvisation?

Jeff Schaffer: We don't really rehearse. We basically, we sort of have the little outline, we talk to the actors for a second about logistically where people are going to be and ins and outs, and then we shoot. I mean, we shoot the show very quickly. We shoot three and a half days per episode, and we're on location. So we've got three cameras going, and we've got improv and lines from this, and we're shouting things out. It looks like insane people are making a show, but that's how you get the best comedy. Everyone's throwing jokes out there. And we do a few takes, and we're changing the coverage, and often in the scene we'll be yelling jokes out, telling the camera guys to switch over to get from a single to a two-shot or go wider here, and it's just all happening at the same time because there's no one else behind the monitor. The people that make the show, there's our six amazing cast members in front of the camera, and there's Jackie and I behind the camera, and that's it. So that's the show. And so every day it's this crazy, frantically paced race that somehow makes this really, really, really funny product at the end of the day.

If you were able to videotape a game, to attend a game with whoever you wanted, who would you pick, and what would you be talking about?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Oh, this is a very interesting question. I'll answer that first. I would like to be on the sidelines with Peter Carroll at a Seahawks game and have him explain to me why we have no quarterback. That's what I would like to do. I'd like to do that, like, next weekend.

Jeff Schaffer: And I would be standing behind her going, "Don't ask that; don't ask that," but wondering the same thing.

Last year we got to see the world that surrounds the cast members-like their high-school friends and some of their college friends. Are there going to be any new scenes that we can expect for the second season?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: You're going to see 'Ruxin' at work-like we said, where you're going to meet-Thanksgiving dinner, we're excited about that.

Jeff Schaffer: 'Ruxin' at-yeah, we're going to get to see the big partner at 'Ruxin's' disgusting law firm, which is Ray Liotta. We're going to get to see into-we're going to sort of peel back the onion of the families. So at Thanksgiving, we're going to see 'Andre's' sister, who's played by Sarah Silverman -who was all of these guys' sort of first foray into sexuality a long time ago when she was, like, a few years older than them when they were, like, 13 and in junior high. And now she's back. And we get to meet 'Rupert Ruxin,' the father of 'Rodney Ruxin,' played by Jeff Goldblum. And we get to see sort of how exactly 'Ruxin' was formed. We get to see the spite volcano that shot the little piece of lava out known as 'Ruxin.' So that stuff is all really fun. We've got some great stuff there, and we're also going to see another-one of the members of the league that we don't usually get to see-one of the out of town idiots. We get to see 'Chuck,' who's a guy that is in the league with them but lives out of town, who's played by Will Forte, who comes back to visit and is not the way they remember him. And so that was also really fun. And the one other special, special guest appearance that is going to be coming down the pipe is 'Mr. McGibblets' will be back in full force.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Oh, that's a big announcement, Jeff.

Jeff Schaffer: Yeah.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: That's a big announcement everybody.

Jeff Schaffer: Yeah, 'Mr. McGibblets' will return to delight and offend.

Another thing that's taken on, like, its own life on The League is the vocabulary that's kind of spurned out of it. And it's gone into fantasy leagues everywhere. I write for a fantasy site too, so we use terms like rosterbation and stuff like that. What terms were you surprised that got taken off into its own life like Eskimo brothers or something. Was there something that you just felt like, "Wow, I can't believe this term has got its own legs?"

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: I think that-Jeff and I were sitting at a dinner table in Los Angeles at some random place eating, and there was, like, one of those pony walls between our table and a bar table next to us. And I heard a guy talking about another guy's date that weekend-so two guys out having a drink, and one guy totally slamming this other guy for his date that he brought to a party that weekend, just going, "You're the herdsman man, hyah, hyah." We were just literally people sitting there eating a chicken, and we could not believe that we-it's a totally true story-we couldn't believe we were sitting in this restaurant listening to a guy slam another guy using that terminology one week after the show aired.

Jeff Schaffer: It was heartwarming.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: It was very heartwarming.

Jeff Schaffer: Even last night we were talking about vulturing, which as you know is a big fantasy football term, and we brought it into the real world. And just hearing people just telling each other that, "Now you're the Mike Tolbert of my life." So you never know what's going to take off. And like last week, if you had told me that people would be going around wondering who should be a menstrual medium, I would've said, "No, people are going to laugh at it, but that's never going to take off." So it's funny what people-what catches on.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Yeah, that one's a good one. I mean, the fact that people were-there was a trend running on Twitter ... who would be the menstrual medium in a show about menstrual medium. That kind of surprised us and delighted us.

Does the fact that these words kind of have these lives post-airing, does that raise the shooting sessions when you guys are kind of throwing out some different terms just to see what works and what doesn't?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Never thought about it.

Jeff Schaffer: We never-when we're writing the show, we never go like, "Oh, people are going to say this all the time." We just try and think of the funniest situations and use the funniest language for it. And it's sort of up to everybody else to see what's going to stick.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: And then we have a tradition-which actually I'm doing right now on my laptop as I'm talking to you guys-which is when people get excited about something in an episode, we turn it into a ringtone. And the 'Taco' tones @Tacotones Twitter account releases it as a ringtone for people. So we basically wait to see what the fans latch onto via Twitter and Facebook during an episode, and then we pull a couple of those audio files, turn them into ringtones, and let 'Taco' put them out there from 'Taco' Corp.

Could I put one in for a suggestion?

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Yeah, go for it man.

I love it when the whole 'Rafi,' ... thread. And I love that when they go, "...." Because I'm in a league with both of my brother-in-laws, and it's called the Obnoxious Brother-In-Law League. And it's like that kind of stuff speaks to players everywhere, and it's just-'Rafi' especially.

Jeff Schaffer: By the way, 'Rafi' will be back. He's coming back next week and the week after.

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: Yeah, actually next week, next week and the week after. This week, 'Rafi' and 'Ruxin's' au pair is all we'll say. It's going to be just everybody strap on your seatbelt and get ready for that ride.

Jeff Schaffer: Well, there are some things you can't unsee. Let's just put it that way.

Awesome. Well that's great. Anytime 'Rafi's' on-and he was a character that I was pretty apprehensive about last season, and I've been loving him...

Jeff Schaffer: Well you know, it's funny because people when he first came on, they were like, "God, this guy's annoying." And we're so like, "That's the point, just wait. Just wait."

Jackie Marcus Schaffer: The annoying will become enjoyable; be patient.