Taking the helm on his third water-based film
He's the director of some of the biggest and most epic films in film history - In the Line of Fire, Air Force One, and Troy. But, Wolfgang Peterson is also a huge water fan; his vision was to make a trilogy of water-based flicks, starting with his 1981 film Das Boot (The Boat). More recently, he took on George Clooney and Mark Wahlberg in The Perfect Storm.
Now, he's making the finale of the trilogy with Poseidon, starring Josh Lucas, Kurt Russell, Emmy Rossum, Richard Dreyfuss, Jimmy Bennett, Jacinda Barrett, and a host of other amazing actors; it's loosely based on the 1972 classic, The Poseidon Adventure. This updated version began as just a producer label for Wolfgang, but after getting more involved he had to take the helm.
The film got a huge following and as other actors were promoting their other films, the subject of Poseidon would come up. For one, Josh Lucas was telling us how Wolfgang wanted this film to be great; he had all the actors do almost all of their own stunts. And I'll say, this film is so much better because of that; it looks so real. You can tell all these actors put all their efforts into making Poseidon a tremendous film for Wolfgang.
We sat down with the German-born director and producer to talk about the film; here's what he had to say:
Why have you chosen to do so many water-based films?
Wolfgang Peterson: I must tell you I am very close to the sea, the water; it's my upbringing. I'm from Hamburg, Germany; it's very flat there, and a lot of ocean, and I grew up with that and it influenced me, obviously. When you're a little boy you go to the water and dream. You sit on the shore and you're fifteen and you have a lot of time to think and a lot of things to think about and there's a long, endless horizon with a lot of space where your thoughts can go. And the colors on the sea - it all has a very soothing, beautiful, calm, tranquility sometimes; it's just wonderful, I love that. And then always the turn, when the clouds are coming and the sea turns into a monster, and it crashes against the shore and it had unbelievable force of destruction. We're reminded again by the tsunami of what it can do; it's the biggest force of nature with the most destructive, frightening chaos and we all know what water can do. Somehow I thought when I got into storytelling that this element has always been with me as something dramatic. So I got Das Boot and right away felt comfortable out at sea, not above but underwater. Even trapped in the submarine, what better drama is there than seeing warfare told on a small space. With 45 people on a boat maybe you can tell more about war than big battles with thousands and all that kind of thing. It's the claustrophobia of the boat. They can't run away, there's no where to go. It's just them, they're facing with each other, their fears, and that's it; I was fascinated by that concept, it stuck with me. And it went well, as you know; the film made a really strong impression. Years later, when I was here in America I found The Perfect Storm; it reminds me in a way of that similar thing, even though it's not about war, and I wanted to do six people on a boat. And now, the third time, we come to the trilogy, all good things are three. I said I cannot do again a third one, but then when I really got into Poseidon as a producer first, then I switched over to director because I was so fascinated by the fact that this is now real people.
When the studio first approached you with this was there ever a point where you were going to be faithful to the book?
Wolfgang Peterson: No, I didn't want to do the book; I read the book, liked it, it's a very dark book. It's the late '60s, it's a different world; you cannot use the book, it doesn't work. I didn't want to use the film, because the film, with all respect, when I look at the Irwin Allen film, I was very excited when I was a kid. When I look at it now, you look at it with a smile; on a disaster movie, you dare not smile. So I said let's make a movie where you don't smile when the boat goes over and you go with these people through the situation. So meaning, using all the tools we have you can make it truly frightening and really realistic and really get across the idea what disaster is. I saw the chance that is now, for an audience, so relatable. There are not movie stars on the screen in terms of movie stars; they are more like Kurt and Josh and all the other people are more like relatable, people who would be on a cruise ship. That's what I wanted - realistic, very hard edged, scary like hell, which is what disaster is. And to see how people react, and of course invite you as an audience to say how you would react.
So you're saying these actors are more character actors as opposed to big stars, like having Brad Pitt on the screen?
Wolfgang Peterson: It would be a completely different movie if Brad Pitt is a poker player and it's Tom Cruise and Clint Eastwood.
Clint Eastwood as a gay Jewish man!
Wolfgang Peterson: It could happen! I see that as kind of a different movie.
Did the studio ask you to have cameos from people in the original cast?
Wolfgang Peterson: At some point, we were contacted but it didn't go anywhere, by Ernest Borgnine. I don't know why it fell apart; he was sick or something like that. But he came up, and Sheila Allen, Irwin Allen's widow, I kill in the film. She dies in the ballroom when the windows break and all the water comes in. If you know her, you'll see her, the poor girl.
Did she know she was going to die?
Wolfgang Peterson: She wanted to; she said, 'Could you kill me?' I said, 'I think I could do that for you.'
Why do they still have the rights, the Allens?
Wolfgang Peterson: Not all the rights, they still have part of the rights. That's why they're executive producers; I don't know why, it's very complex. She's a very nice lady, I liked her a lot. So many people were coming to me saying, 'Could you kill me?' My account falls off the ballroom balcony. Mike Fleiss, the other producer, is the guy who crashes through the elevator glass. Now with CG, you can do all that. I can do anything.
You almost really killed off your leading man in this movie.
Wolfgang Peterson: That was traumatic.
It was great acting, though.
Wolfgang Peterson: It was great acting, and we used that shot in the film; I was very scared. Is that when he hit him in the eye?
No, it's actually when he drowned.
Wolfgang Peterson: Oh that one, we had very close calls. I thought you were talking about when he was hitting him with the flashlight over his eye. That's when they are bringing the dead Elena (Mía Maestro) out of the water and they are all surrounding her, and if you really look at Josh he's always doing this but still keeping the scene, the blood is running. It was great acting but it was not, and it felt so real we kept it in there. When the shot was over we had to bring him to the hospital because we saw then it was real blood. Stop shooting and bring him to the hospital and get stitches.
Your next movie is very different from this one.
Wolfgang Peterson: Definitely not water! Next film, I don't know yet. I am thinking of Ender's Game, I am very interested in that; we'll see if we pull that off, we're working on the screenplay. I don't know if you know the story, it's very much with kids. It's a sci-fi story, a beautiful, beautiful story, very popular, very difficult book. It will be great if we can pull it off. I also want to work with kids.
Do you feel more pressure with this movie is being released as part of the summer movie craze?
Wolfgang Peterson: It's a pro and con; yes, in the summer as we know in America, people get excited about summer movies and go to the movies and get your popcorn and have a good time. But it's huge competition out there - we have Mission: Impossible right in front of us and Da Vinci right after us, that's scary! So I would say that I have decidedly mixed feelings of that.
Do you think DVD helps with that pressure as a filmmaker?
Wolfgang Peterson: Oh yeah, DVD; as you all know, is a phenomenon for the studio and a crucial income source. They risk more money to make a film because of DVD, and foreign. If you look at my last film, Troy, that did three times as much in foreign as in U.S. Huge DVD sales also because of the Iliad and everybody wants to own and have it. But I think we're doing fine with this one, even with the competition. I have a feeling that this month of May, because people are so excited they are going back to the theaters. The last six, seven weeks every time it's going stronger and stronger. It feels like it's leading up to people wanting to have fun at the movies again. May is strong; we have four big movies including myself. People will say, 'Let's see the next one and the next one;' I hope so. At the end of the day, even if you don't like this one or that one, at the end of the day we in Hollywood would feel better if people were going to the theaters.
Do you see yourself going back and doing a comic book character, or of Superman vs Batman being done?
Wolfgang Peterson: I always liked that concept very much. I never wanted to do just a single Superman or a single Batman but to do the two parts of the soul in your breast, the goody, goody Superman and the bad Batman. We have both in ourselves and I thought that if we explore how these guys in one film together fight it out, so to speak, the darkness and the lightness. It's a great philosophical, almost existential concept with comic book heroes. I think the concept is great and I think it would be a big, big deal. You could have so much fun with driving Superman, giving him a hard time, Superman with all his good American stuff. Superman is going after this dark creature of Batman, giving him a bad time, and slug it out, so to speak. In a way, they stay still close; the idea was that we are both, that's the idea. I would love to do it at some point and it might happen! It might happen when I'm 85, but you know, these days that's when a career sometimes starts.
Poseidon opens in theaters and IMAX May 12th; it's rated PG-13.